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Summary of Ecology of Peace Radical Honoursty Factual Reality Problem Solving: Poverty, slavery, unemployment, food shortages, food inflation, cost of living increases, urban sprawl, traffic jams, toxic waste, pollution, peak oil, peak water, peak food, peak population, species extinction, loss of biodiversity, peak resources, racial, religious, class, gender resource war conflict, militarized police, psycho-social and cultural conformity pressures on free speech, etc; inter-cultural conflict; legal, political and corporate corruption, etc; are some of the socio-cultural and psycho-political consequences of overpopulation & consumption collision with declining resources.

Ecology of Peace RH factual reality: 1. Earth is not flat; 2. Resources are finite; 3. When humans breed or consume above ecological carrying capacity limits, it results in resource conflict; 4. If individuals, families, tribes, races, religions, and/or nations want to reduce class, racial and/or religious local, national and international resource war conflict; they should cooperate & sign their responsible freedom oaths; to implement Ecology of Peace Scientific and Cultural Law as international law; to require all citizens of all races, religions and nations to breed and consume below ecological carrying capacity limits.

EoP v WiP NWO negotiations are updated at EoP MILED Clerk.

Saturday, May 18, 2013

ArchDruidReport John Michael Greer's NTE Hypocrisy and Silencing of Critics

ArchDruidReport John Michael Greer's Hypocrisy and Paranoid Silencing of Critics

Most activists dilute their message to get a big fan club, so they focus on recruiting Milgram's 92%, game theory's conditional co-operators and free riders. I am an issue specific unconditional co-operator, and I search for other eight percenter: issue specific unconditional co-operators. I don't care if your name is Anders Breivik, or Tom Laaman, if you ideologically are left wing, right wing, nazi wing, commie wing, if you are capable of making an issue specific unconditional co-ooperator agreement, you are worth talking to, and worth negotiating with. In the absence of sincere and active listening and brutal honesty discussion, any beliefs about agreement or disagreement are self-delusional bullshit.

Andrea Muhrrteyn | TYGAE | 15 May 2013

John Michael Greer blogs at The Archdruid Report. where he blogs about "Druid perspectives on nature, culture, and the future of industrial society." He is also the Grand Archdruid of the Ancient Order of Druids in America and the author of more than twenty books on a wide range of subjects, including The Long Descent: A User's Guide to the End of the Industrial Age, The Ecotechnic Future: Exploring a Post-Peak World, and The Wealth of Nature: Economics As If Survival Mattered.

A few days ago he wrote a post The Pleasures of Extinction; wherein he lambastes people who believe that climate change has embarked on such a runaway feedback loop, that it is going to result in the near term extinction (NTE) of human life on planet earth.

As far as I am aware the person who coined the term 'near term extinction' with the acronym of NTE is Dr. Guy McPherson. His first post about it, I can find was posted to Zero Hedge: Three paths to near term extinction. If you do a google search on the term "near term extinction, nte" the top hit is Dr. McPherson's blog: Nature Bats Last, where his detailed post explaining the evidence for his argument of near term extinction is: Climate Change Summary and Update.

The Near-term extinction ning blog also asserts that Guy McPherson was the source of the NTE concept:

NTE is the topic here. All viewpoints are welcome. We have a policy of civility. No name calling or personal attacks with the exception of The Final Barbeque forum. Everywhere else on this site the rule holds. No warnings, just expulsion. This topic is hard enough to contemplate. Thanks for being here. Let's be kind together.

Dr. Guy McPherson and his work is the reason this Ning was started. Other issues and topics are welcome, as well.

Meanwhile, John Michael Greer says he does not know who Guy McPherson is; but in 2009, Guy McPherson wrote a blog post about various Peak Oil and Climate Change bloggers, on whose blogs McPherson comments, which included Greer. McPherson is highly critical of Greer's penchant for controlling the message and silencing critics:

"With respect to controlling the message on his blog, I score him a solid and unimpressive 8, in part because he moderates every comment. Of course, we cannot know what he edits out, but I know he’s purposely deleted comments when a reader sought clarification on issues raised by Greer. Why? What’s the point of claiming to conduct an online conversation if you’re so concerned about rogue comments that you don’t let them into the discussion?"

So, not only does John Michael Greer's 'spiritual teaching' involve pretending that he does not know the source of the near term extinction concept; but he then proceeds to totally and utterly fraudulently dirtort it's message beyond recognition; pretending that McPherson's NTE message, based upon his scientific arguments, is no different than any Y2K or 2012 Mayan Prophecy extinction narratives. He totally and utterly makes no effort whatsoever to even honourably address McPherson's arguments.

Furthermore Greer alleges that NTE's advocate that NTE is a certainty, and that NTE's should simply sit back and do nothing politically or in terms of lifestyle changes to combat or avoid near-term extinction. This is not remotely accurate: although McPherson does think NTE is possibly certain, he passionately advocates that the ethical response, even if you believe in NTE with absolute certainty is to do everything possible to make your contribution to bringing down industrial civilization, politically and personally.

So, I posted a comment:

Wow. I've always enjoyed reading this blog. This post however is so toxic, I feel I need a shower.

Have you forgotten to focus on the essence of a man's argument?

McPherson's NTE argument (a) very ardently argues that people should act, and not simply in lifestyle changes, but in acts of resistance; and (b) I have not seen anyone who vilifies him, dispute any of his arguments.

Guy's essay: “Climate-change summary and update” is updated regularly, and describes why near-term human extinction, by 2060, is guaranteed; in the absence of ending industrial civilization by 2015.

What climate science are you basing your conclusions upon? Do you think humans can survive at +6C? How many scientists agree with you?

Greer responded:

Andrea, then go take a shower. The science isn't the essence of the argument; the science is window dressing for a preexisting narrative -- the same narrative we saw built up around 2012, Y2K, etc., etc. Rather than debating yet another round of cherrypicked factoids, I suggest it's time to address the narrative itself.

Joseph Nemeth's response:

@Andrea -- is that really the NTE thesis? That if we don't shut down industrial society within two years we needn't bother, because the game is over?

Surely you understand that shutting down industrial society within the next two years is impossible?

Our so-called leadership in Washington has a majority (or a substantial minority) of people who still don't even believe in global warming. A substantial fraction of those don't care, anyway, because they believe that Jesus will return to fix everything, and will even praise them for their "faithfulness" (which they've somehow confused with "pig-headed obstinacy.") They'll continue to deny that sea-levels are rising even as they drown.

Outside Washington, most US Americans aren't even aware of peak oil or global warming.

So who is going to pull the switch and turn out the lights? Not Government. Not The People.

The comment about "acts of resistance" sound a little like small groups of committed ecoterrorists?

But that will have the opposite effect. Our industrial society is built around war, and attacking the system will only kick the industries of war into high gear to protect themselves: it will be like throwing gasoline on a fire, or injecting pure adrenaline into a strung-out junkie. It would guarantee years of extra life to industrial society.

So realistically, NTE is saying it's already way too late. They're just saying it a way that promotes as much anxiety as possible.

So JMG -- this strikes me as an interesting twist on the old apocalypse meme.

Most of them have salvation and judgement bound up in the same moment: you can repent right up to the moment the Rapture occurs; you can stock your Zombie shelter up to the moment they start roaming the streets; you can buy up reflective aluminum suits up to the second the Giant Space Walrus swipes at us with a photon flipper. When the date comes and nothing happens, they have to recalculate in the face of a crushing embarrassment.

This one has a forty-five year "nag margin" built into it.

Current prediction is for 2015. We'll miss that one, and nothing will happen, but that's just what they predicted. Next, they'll sharpen their pencils, and decide that, well, maybe there's a chance for some people to survive if we destroy industrial civilization by, say, 2018. We'll miss that one, too. Thank God we're entering a region of galactic dark matter at that point, which will lower (or raise) the neutrino emissions of the sun, and buy us a little more time. Maybe 2022. Etc.

It's an apocalypse franchise. Like the Harry Potter series.

Dang. Talk about American ingenuity.

Andrea's three-part response to Joseph Nemeth (censored by Greer):

Joseph [1/3]:

Guy McPherson's NTE fear is that it is already too late, but his hope is that there is still a bit of time, maybe to 2015 or thereabouts; I don't know if others have different NTE thesis to Guy. [Near Term Extinction Climate Change Summary and Update]

The date is not exactly 2015, could be sooner or later, but is based upon the study by Timothy J. Garrett, reported in Climatic Change (Nov. 2009) "Are there basic physical constraints on future anthropogenic emissions of carbon dioxide?" or in English: Only Economic Collapse will prevent runaway global climate change.

Large-scale assessments do not include data for (a) positive feedbacks (tipping points) and/or (b) Economic Collapse.

* Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (late 2007): 1 C by 2100

* Hadley Centre for Meteorological Research (late 2008): 2 C by 2100

* United Nations Environment Programme (mid 2009): 3.5 C by 2100

* Hadley Centre for Meteorological Research (October 2009): 4 C by 2060

* Global Carbon Project, Copenhagen Diagnosis (November 2009): 6 C, 7 C by 2100

* International Energy Agency (November 2010): 3.5 C by 2035

* United Nations Environment Programme (December 2010): up to 5 C by 2050

Individuals not yet 'NTE's, but warning absence of immediate inaction could result in NTE:

National Security and the Threat of Climate Change (CAN; 2007); Climate change: Prepare for global temperature rise of 4C, warns top scientist (Guardian; 07/08/2008); On a planet 4C hotter, all we can prepare for is extinction (Guardian, 11/08/2008); World has Underestimated Climate Change-Effects, Expert argues (Science, 23/03/2010); Scientists call for war on climate change, but who on Earth is listening? (David Spratt, Climate Code Red, 07/12/2012); Bad News: Artic Icecap Cracking Up (Paul Beckwith, 08/03/2013); [Near Term Extinction] Climate-change summary and update (Nature Bats Last; 27/04/2013); The Irreconcilable Acceptance of Near-Term Extinction (Nature Bats Last; 28/04/2013); White House warned on imminent Arctic ice death spiral (Guardian, 02/05/2013); Arctic Ocean 'acidifying rapidly' (BBC, 06/05/2013).

To understand why on a planet 4C hotter, all we can prepare for is extinction, consider that a planet that is 6 degrees colder in terms of a global average change is equivalent to the ice age, when ice-sheets advanced to the edge of Oxford, UK; six degrees average change warmer, would mean extinction for humans, the largest mammal would be the size of a shrew, and there would be snakes the size of busses (humans cannot survive a wet-bulb temperature of 35 C (95 F).

Six Degrees that could change the world

Joseph [2/3]

Positive Feedback / Tipping Points

“A runaway climate change is now clear and beginning to be quantified for the first time… the greatest threat we face as a planet… The rate of change we’re generating in the current situation is between 200-300 times faster than that experience of any extinction event apart from the asteroidal impact. If you look at the general background change, for instance, it takes about 10,000 years to change the concentration of carbon dioxide by 100 ppm — we’re doing it in 30 years at this year’s rate… so, the rate of change in the climate is phenomenal compared to previous extinction events.

We’re already in a mass extinction event. We’re losing species and losing populations, partly by climate change and partly by habitat change, partly by overexploitation of habitat like fisheries… We’ve lost about 40% of the phytoplankton in the oceans which is the basis of the food chain.”
-- David Wasdell, International Coordinator, Meridian Programme; Arctic Methane – Why the Sea Ice Matters

Current Tipping Points:

*Methane hydrates are bubbling out the Arctic Ocean (Science, March 2010)
* Warm Atlantic water is defrosting the Arctic as it shoots through the Fram Strait (Science, January 2011). This breakdown of the thermohaline conveyor belt is happening in the Antarctic as well.
* Siberian methane vents have increased in size from less than a meter across in the summer of 2010 to about a kilometer across in 2011 (Tellus, February 2011)
* Drought in the Amazon triggered the release of more carbon than the United States in 2010 (Science, February 2011)
* Peat in the world’s boreal forests is decomposing at an astonishing rate (Nature Communications, November 2011)
Methane is being released from the Antarctic, too (Nature, August 2012)
* Russian forest and bog fires are growing (NASA, August 2012)
* Cracking of glaciers accelerates in the presence of increased carbon dioxide (Journal of Physics D: Applied Physics, October 2012)
* The Beauford Gyre apparently has reversed course (U.S. National Snow and Ice Data Center, October 2012)
* Exposure to sunlight increases bacterial conversion of exposed soil carbon, thus accelerating thawing of the permafrost (Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, February 2013)
* Summer ice melt in Antarctica is at its highest level in a thousand years: Summer ice in the Antarctic is melting 10 times quicker than it was 600 years ago, with the most rapid melt occurring in the last 50 years (Nature Geoscience, April 2013)

More on Tipping Points:

Tippint Points

Global Extinction within one Human Lifetime as a Result of a Spreading Atmospheric Arctic Methane Heat wave and Surface Firestorm

Joseph [3/3]

Current Actions to close down Civilization by 2015:

White House Petition (

Citizens are invited to sign the White House Petition to avoid MILINT Earth Day Coup d'état’s of the World’s Democracies, on Earth Day 2015; by demanding their government implement Sustainable Security Relocalization, Decentralization, De-Industrialization & Primitivization measures, by 22 April 2014; & turning off all coal, nuclear & fossil fuel sources to their National Grid on 22 April 2015.

If World citizens fail to demand Sustainable Security policies to prevent ecological collapse; TYGAE call for simultaneous MILINT Earth Day Coup d'état’ of World’s Democracies; to replace failed malfunctioning ‘One Person, One Vote’ policy with a ‘Sustainable Security Licence to Vote’ policy; to implement Relocalization, De-Industrialization and Primitivization policies.

If World’s Military Officials fail, prepare for extinction, by 2060, if not much sooner, due to the runaway feedback confluence of overpopulation, overconsumption, resource scarcity induced conflict and climate change tipping points.

Failure of citizens/Military to act by (2014/2015); while they still can; will aggravate the runaway feedback confluence, rendering it impossible and futile to act later.


Military Intelligence Earth Day Notices have so far been sent to:

* General Martin Dempsey: Chairman: Joint Chiefs of Staff; c/o: Colonel Mark Lee USAEC; U.S. Army Environmental Command
* Sergey Kuzhugetovich Shoygu, General of the Russian Army; CC & c/o: Commanders of: Land Forces; Air Force; Navy; Strategic Missile Forces; Air and Space Defense; Airborne Troops; W. Military Dist. S. Military Dist.; E. Military Dist.; N. Fleet; Pacific Fleet; Baltic Fleet; Black Sea Fleet
* Gen. Sir David Richards, Chief of the Defence Staff; Gen Nicholas Houghton: VC of Defence; Adm George Zamebellas: Chief Navy; Gen Peter Wall: Chief Gen. Staff; Marshall Stephen Dalton: Air Chief; Gen Richard Barrons: Joint Forces Command
* NATO Member Chief of Defence: AL: Maj. Gen. Xhemal Gjunkshi; BE: Maj. Gen. Eddy Testelmans; BG: Gen. Simeon Simeonov; CA: Gen. Thomas Lawson; HR: Gen. Drago Lovric; CZ: Lt. Gen. Petr Pavel; DK: Gen. Peter Bartram; EE: Maj. Gen. Riho Terras; FR: Gen. Bertrand Ract-Madoux; DE: Gen. Volker Wieker; GR: Gen. Michail Kostarakos; HU: Gen. Tibor Benko; IS: R.Adm. Georg Larusson; IT: Gen. Biagio Abrate; LV: Brig. Gen. Juris Zeibarts; LT: Lt. Gen. Arvydas Pocius; LU: Col. Mario Daubenfield; NL: Gen. Tom Middendorp; NO: Gen. Harald Sunde; PL: Gen. Mieczyslaw Cieniuch; PT: Gen. Luis Pinto; RO: Lt. Gen. Stefan Danila; SK: Gen. Peter Vojtek; SI: Brig. Dobran Bozic; Gen. Fernando Garcia Sanchez; TK: Gen. Necdet Ozel; UK: Gen. David Richards; JCS: Gen. Martin Dempsey; c/o & via: NATO Military Committee: Knud Bartels.

Direct Responses received from:
* FBI Miami {How can FBI Miami Help you}
* UK Independent Party
* UK Minister of State for Climate Change

John Michael Greer said...

Andrea (offlist), please read the text above the comment box regarding long screeds and abusive language. If you want to try again, you might consider being civil, and concise.

Huh? Abusive language? What on earth was abusive language or uncivil about that post?

So, I responded (censored by Greer):

Mr. Greer,

I have re-read my comments to Joseph again (I keep copies of my comments). Joseph if you want a copy, email me (my email at my blogger profile); and I will email you a copy of the comment.

All it contains are climate change facts; including tipping points info, and information about climate change action to bring down industrial civilization. Allot of them agreed.

But there is nothing any honourable person would call abusive language.

Perhaps John, you object to information that provides your readers with information about actions currently underway to bring down industrial civilization. While you pretend to support the objective, you really don't want to see it happening, cause you'd loose your internet fanclub if the lights are turned off?

No response was received from Greer.

An interesting perspective from Deep Green Resistance on Greer's criticism of individuals who believe political action to bring down industrial civilization is necessary, but have not fully completed all the required primitivist lifestyle changes.

However good these lifestyle choices may be, they are lifestyle choices. And where the book really goes off the rails is when the author argues that these changes are prerequisites to engaging in any sort of activist work:
“Activism has its place, to be sure, and potentially an important one, but activism only matters if the people who are doing it have already followed Gandhi’s advice and become the change that they wish to see in the world. When that first necessary step doesn’t happen, activism fails.”
In support of this thesis, he brings up the example of the climate change movement, which he claims failed because those in it didn’t actualize the changes of the movement in their own lives first.

First of all, if the climate change movement has so far failed, it isn’t because Al Gore owns a private plane, it is because climate change cannot be addressed without dismantling industrial capitalism, and because those in power would not be in power if they started to question, hinder, or even reform industrial capitalism. And to date, there is a huge disparity in power between those running the system, and the small number of climate activists opposing them.

If we are to stop industrial capitalism, we’re going to need to exert a power equal to or greater than that expressed by the power elites. And we can’t wait until we have a mass movement to do that. We’re going to need to adopt the techniques of asymmetrical warfare: direct action, community building, and outreach. Trying to get everyone on board with us might sound more friendly and democratic, but with the world at stake, there isn’t going to be time for those niceties. Nor can we afford to waste our time and energy focusing on actualizing within ourselves a vision of life after civilization.

In some ways, it doesn’t surprise me that the book fails to generate serious ways of addressing the problems of ecological collapse, because that is the not the focus of the book. The author, in fact, seems to give it almost no attention at all. Although we live on a planet that, in the absence of political resistance, is expected to warm 6°C this century, a planet whose oceans are expected to double in acidity this century, Greer appears to shirk any concern with anything but the basic welfare of modern humans on the far side of Hubbert’s Peak.

It never appears to occur to him that any group of people would find comfort in seeing oil production peak, or want to accelerate the collapse of industrial civilization. Rather, he assumes that like himself, we are all stranded in survival mode, all looking out for number one. But for those of us who care more about the health of forests than about our retirement plans, that care more about wild salmon than electricity, that care more about stopping climate change than about stopping energy shortages, there’s a lot of great work out there be done. And you don’t need to be an ascetic to do it.

witsendnj says John Michael Greer is keen on censorship and just wants to sell books:

witsendnjMay 17, 2012 at 10:50 am #

Owen, thanks for a thoughtful review. JMG has some good points about climate activists and their delusion that we can do anything about it while maintaining industrial civilization. He’s also correct that the big green organizations have largely sold out for funding from foundations sponsored by corporations.

But it’s kind of funny to read his attacks on environmental demagogues when he is kind of a magician himself. He wants to believe that peak oil is going to lead to a gradual winding down of modern society, and people like himself and his followers who have learned to live off the grid will be the survivors. In fact, he moderates out comments on his blog that don’t conform to his view, including suggestions that we are in for a series of abrupt ecological catastrophes, from extreme violent weather due to climate change, sea level rise, ocean acidification and – my personal favorite – ecosystem collapse from forest deaths due to pollution (which I discuss on this week’s broadcast of radio ecoshock here:

The natural world is far too permanently degraded for anything like the number of people now on earth to survive without industrial agriculture – and that is a fragile trail dependent upon stable supplies of fertilizer, pesticides and oil for transport that is going to end suddenly leading to unpredictable social unrest. JMG doesn’t want to hear about that though…or maybe he just wants to sell books.

See also: John Michael Greer's Cognitive Dissonance on near term extinction.

Disclosure: It is almost impossible to offend me (Andrea is blogger nom de plume for civilized patriarchy's fruitcake known as Lara Johnstone LOL). I refuse to shut anyone out of my life, for any reason whatsoever. I have never and don't intend to begin to ignore anyone who expresses any criticisms to me on any issue. Every person who writes to me, on any issue, always gets an honest response. I don't play the plausible deniability marginalization game. Secondly it does not matter how much I may be pissed off with someone, or believe they have a fucked up fragile ego personality; if I agree with their particular ideological principles, then I support them on those principles. This I have done with Michael Ruppert for years; who loves to endlessly go on about spiritual principles and respect for the feminine, but when it comes to women in his life who expect him to practice what he preaches; he simply shuts them out, as if they do not exist. Not very spiritual, certainly not the conduct of a spiritual warrior; but nevertheless. Some embark on the PR version of the spiritual warrior path, and others go for the narrow way of baring of skeletons and all, pure transparency and owning our full fuckedupness! LOL! Mike knows my door is always open. As easy as it is for him to shut people out, who carry messages he prefers not to hear, as easy it is for me to open my door to anyone, from far left to far right, and in-between.

On a side note: I think, one of the things I have learnt from choosing to refuse to marginalize anyone and to listen to everyone, is how petrified people are, of really, really, really being listened to. In my perspective, the highest act of love, and also the highest act of what I consider to be an individuals 'feminine' spirit, is her/his capacity for active deep listening. People want the 'story' of love, not the action and being of love, manifesting in their lives. What do you find out about yourself, when someone else listens to your more closely, and with more interest and sincerity, than you have ever listened to yourself?

So, although I did have a disagreement with Guy McPherson about exposing the Templeton Foundation's endorsement and support for civilized patriarchal religions, which he initially wanted to support, but once he received a copy of the Templeton complaint submitted to the FBI, he stuck his tail between his legs and took the advice of his legal prison guard jailer (his lawyer); I continue to support his conclusions on NTE. Hopefully, one day he does reach his 'fuck it' point, the point where he is no longer afraid to be totally and utterly nakedly himself; no more need to play bullshit the public relations image management, no more need to ask his jailer for permission to escape his jail-mind prison, keeping him in legal-public-relations anthrocorpocentric jurisprudence prison. Ready to say 'your honour, civilized patriarchal anthrocorpocentric jurisprudence is a goddamn fucking fraud!' LOL!!! Until that day... bless them both and Greer... and hope they find their fuck it points. Until they do, they will continue to be absolutely petrified of the Milint Earth Day campaign.

PPS: Most activists go in search of other activists or followers who agree with their particular left or right ideology. Most activists dilute their message to get a big fan club, so they focus on recruiting Milgram's 92%, game theory's conditional co-operators and free riders. I am an issue specific unconditional co-operator, and I search for other eight percenter: issue specific unconditional co-operators. I don't care if your name is Anders Breivik, or Tom Laaman, if you ideologically are left wing, right wing, nazi wing, commie wing, if you are capable of making an issue specific unconditional co-operator agreement, you are worth talking to, and worth negotiating with. LOL... something my CIA Assassin buddy taught me many years ago; which most activists totally and utterly are clueless about. Meanwhile activists of all left and right wing stripes are totally and utterly incapable of making issue specific unconditional co-operation agreements. They may pretend to totally agree on the issue; but refuse to agree on the issue, because the other party has separate left or right wing or racial or religious concepts, or more commonly, they just don't like the particular person's personality.

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Andrea Muhrrteyn said...

From: Lara
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 12:32 PM
To: Guy McPherson; US: Mike Ruppert; DGR: Derrick Jensen; AntiCiv: DeepGreenResistance; 'Ancient Order Druids in America'
Cc: Collapsenet: Ed:
Subject: John M. Greer | G McPherson | M Ruppert | D.Jensen/DGR ~ Re ~ NTE & MILINT End-Civ Earth Day

ArchDruidReport John Michael Greer's NTE Hypocrisy and Paranoid Silencing of Critics

Michael Ruppert and Deep Green Resistance also discussed/referred to.

gail zawacki said...

Dear Andrea/Lara,

First time visit to your blog, which is a fascinating read. I was very curious to see what "abuse" caused JMG to censor your comment so thanks for reproducing it here, as I suspected, not the least rude.

Ha then I was surprised to see myself!

Also I'm very interested to follow up on the Milint campaign, first I've heard of it - and also this is only the 2nd reference I've seen to Templeton - so much to catch up with!

Don't know if you saw this, the 1st time I came across Templeton:

Thanks for keeping this blog, I'm really looking forward to reading more from you.


xraymike79 said...

Great post. Thanks for writing it and including all the censored comments from Greer's site.

I found the following analysis of Greer's argument very insightful:

Andrea Muhrrteyn said...

Hi Gail,

Thanks. I am not an eloquent writer... more a plodder! ;-) I am better at writing legal arguments, than blog posts..... but as long as the message somehow gets heard, that is all that counts; I guess.

I am still not sure what exactly I said that was 'abuse'; or whether Greer simply used that as an excuse to his fans, for his decision to censor the comment. Either way, probably never know. ;-)

Its quite funny, cause I can be very rude... in fact I spent a year in prison once for being very rude to a Judge: He ordered me to tell lies to the Prosecutor, I refused with 'f**k you, including middle finger".... so he sentenced me to a year prison! ;-)

But in that comment to Greer, I don't think there was anything rude. Anyway..

Milint is only option, as I see it.

I am about 95% convinced of NTE, and I am happy to hear someone who says its not true, give me factual scientific reasons, rather than name calling. So until they do so, I consider it future reality.

If liberal protestors could not even end the Vietnam war, the chances of them ending industrial civilizaiton are ZERO. What ended the vietnam war was military resistance against the war. See documentary, Sir, No Sir.

So, what we need is military resistance against lying politicians who won't confront the NTE FACTS, and make the decision to turn off the lights on industrial civilization.

Is it possible? Slim chance.. but even if the chance is 0.05% or thereabouts, its worth a try I think! ;-)

Read your Templeton article.. very interesting.

Andrea Muhrrteyn said...

Hi Xraymike,

Thats a very very good article at NTE... very well written. Thanks...

Must say I agree.. VNTE! huh!!

Eish! ;-)


Hi Andrea.

Your blog is amazing. I found it because my blog told me that someone did a keyword search for: "John Michael Greer critics". When I pasted that into a google search, I found your blog.

I call myself Futilitist, but the Charlatan John Micheal Greer once refered to me as a cat taking a shit on his kitchen linoleum!

"Oh, man. This is too funny. Loren, you've accused me of deliberate dishonesty, labeled my ideas "dumb" and "silly," made sweeping and wildly inaccurate claims about my motives, mischaracterized my ideas to an extent that makes me wonder if you've ever actually read anything I've written, flung around insults with a fine disregard for even the most basic notions of civility...but when I show up to comment, all of a sudden you're all formal politeness and why don't we have a nice friendly debate? I'm reminded forcibly of the time I watched a cat who'd had a bowel movement on the kitchen floor and was frantically trying to scratch nonexistent sand out of the linoleum to cover it up."
~John Michael Greer

Here is my first ever blog post after my run in with Greer, which resulted in my lifetime banning from

This next one is a formal indictment of the Charlatan John Michael Greer:

And this one is my long awaited, formal analysis of JMG's so called Theory of Catabolic Collapse:

And here are a few more recent blog posts, this time about the fraudulent offspring of the fraudulent,

I hope you find these somewhat entertaining.


Andrea Muhrrteyn said...


I am unclear what exactly you are trying to say. What do you want?

To engage in problem solving? I see fuck all in your comment that appears to give a fuck about problem solving: confronting the Masonic War is Peace social contract right to breed and consume with total disregard for ecological carrying capacity limits reality. Not a problem; but that is my focus.

To advertise yourself as critic of John Michael Greer; if so: you got what you want.

I don't really give a fuck about amazing blogs; I do give a fuck about accurate honest problem solving focussed information.

To the extent that anyone shares accurate honest information I value such information; to the extent that they share entertaining bullshit; I have better things to do with my time than be entertained by what the majority of Masonic culture's members consider entertainment.

I only read your post: Peak Oil Barrel soft pedals collapse; and I did not find anything there that appeared to indicate that any of those commenting gave a fuck about doing anything about the Masonic War is Peace social contract; whose consequences they endlessly whine about.

If you want to problem solve the Masonic War is Peace social contract; by all means do so. If not: kindly fuck off!


Hi Andrea.

It's Futilitist, not Futilist.

What's with the rudeness toward me? I don't deserve it.

I accidentally found your post on the hypocrisy of JMG, and I thought I would share some of my experience with that asshole with you. It was on topic and I thought you might find it interesting. You apparently didn't even read the JMG stuff I linked. Never mind.

We are about to experience a massive social collapse and human die-off. There is nothing that anyone can do to stop this. I seriously doubt there is any way to accelerate it either.

I study social psychology and social theory. My expertise is in mimetic theory (imitation science).

Some of the Snowden JTRIG documents are classroom teaching slides for operatives doing psyops, using sophisticated techniques derived from mimetic theory. This really pisses me off, so I find these CIA trained monkeys (and websites) online and use my greater expertise in mimetics and social theory to trick, confound, expose, and discredit them. I am fighting fire with fire. My blog is a part of that ongoing work. It documents my various online adventures for any actual human readers who might be interested, and it tweeks my rivals.

So, I am a meme disruptor trying to "solve" the "Masonic War is Peace social contract" by directly confronting it's propaganda machine on the internet every day. I realize I am tilting at windmills.

What I do is not fun. It is hard work. I am disappointed that you don't understand.

But I am a true philosophic Futilitist. As such, I believe my efforts to stop the "Masonic War is Peace social contract" are largely in vain, as are yours.

I think we just have different reactions and approaches to the same thing. I don't attack your sincere efforts. You shouldn't attack mine. Have a nice day.


Andrea Muhrrteyn said...


Thanks for the information. John Michael Greer is not on my priority list. I read his blog because I found a significant amount of what he had to say to be useful information.

My post was constructive criticism to him; to sincerely engage him on the particular issue in disagreement. He was not interested in a sincere discussion about clarifying the possible misunderstanding; on his blog. Not a problem. I never called him an asshole. We simply had a disagreement on that particular issue. If or where I agree with him on any other issue; I am more than willing to back him up on that issue.

For me it is about issues; not ego mindfuck personalities.

I have fuck all interest in your fuck honour emotional psyops ego mindfuck war with John Michael Greer. If you want to play fuck honour emotional psyops ego mindfuck 'fuck fuck' games with John Michael Greer; go to his blog or send him an email.

I have fuck all interest in 'fuck honour emotional psyops ego trickery mindfuck' games.

I care about sincere 'buck stops here' root cause problem solving.

I am a member of an Ecology of Peace culture; you are a member of a Masonic War is Peace culture.

List of Ecology of Peace buck stops here legal applications.

Procreation and consumption Ecology of Peace culture actions Oath.

Andrea Muhrrteyn said...

Copy of Comment to Archdruid Report: Peak Meaninglessness

"Externalized costs don’t just go away; one way or another, they’re going to be paid, and costs that don’t appear on a company’s balance sheet still affect the economy. That’s the argument of The Limits to Growth, still the most accurate (and thus inevitably the most reviled) of the studies that tried unavailingly to turn industrial society away from its suicidal path: on a finite planet, once an inflection point is passed, the costs of economic growth rise faster than growth does, and sooner or later force the global economy to its knees."

Ecology of Peace campaign study provided what Limits to Growth did not; so far three detailed blueprints for the political and/or legal implementation of an Ecology of Peace international law social contract. An EoP social contract would require all worlds citizens to procreate and consume below ecological carrying capacity limit. Consequently an EoP social contract would abolish the Masonic War is Peace social contract loophole's that allow for 'right to breed / produce / consume above carrying capacity limits' externalization of procreation and consumption externalities.

Only the implementation of an EoP social contract based upon Ecology of Peace Factual reality; will abolish the Tragedy of the Commons externalization of procreation/consumption costs.

Ecology of Peace Facts:
1. Earth is not flat; 2. Resources are finite; 3. When humans breed or consume above ecological carrying capacity limits, it results in resource conflict; 4. To sustainably protect and conserve natural resources in accordance to local and national carrying capacity limits; and restrict national and international inter-cultural resource war conflict; humans must implement an international law social contract that restricts all the worlds citizens to breed and consume below ecological carrying capacity limits.

Put differently: An Ecology of Peace social contract would require every citizen to practice responsible freedom procreation and consumption; and personally bear the consequences of refusing to do so; by having their 'cheater/taker' genes removed from the genepool.

Currently Cheater/Takers externalize their procreation/consumption costs; to get Eco-Innocent/Leavers exterminated from the genepool.

Andrea Muhrrteyn said...

Futilitist: In The Burden of Denial; Michael John Greer admits to being a freemason.

Quote: "It occurred to me the other day that quite a few of the odder features of contemporary American culture make perfect sense if you assume that everybody knows exactly what’s wrong and what’s coming as our society rushes, pedal to the metal, toward its face-first collision with the brick wall of the future. It’s not that they don’t get it; they get it all too clearly, and they just wish that those of us on the fringes would quit reminding them of the imminent impact, so they can spend whatever time they’ve got left in as close to a state of blissful indifference as they can possibly manage."

"I grant that this realization probably had a lot to do with the context in which it came to me. I was sitting in a restaurant, as it happens, with a vanload of fellow Freemasons. We’d carpooled down to Baltimore, some of us to receive one of the higher degrees of Masonry and the rest to help with the ritual work, and we stopped for dinner on the way back home. I’ll spare you the name of the place we went; it was one of those currently fashionable beer-and-burger joints where the waitresses have all been outfitted with skirts almost long enough to cover their underwear, bare midriffs, and the sort of push-up bras that made them look uncomfortably like inflatable dolls—an impression that their too obviously scripted jiggle-and-smile routines did nothing to dispell."

My EoP definition of a freemason - official and unofficial - can be found in EoP v WiP negotiations buck stops here correspondence; sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 1:05 PM to various Masonic Lodges: Subject: RE: 4643-2578: SS44: EoP Q's re: Freemasonry Issues [PDF See B.2].

Andrea Muhrrteyn said...

Copy of Comment to Archdruid Report: The Burden of Denial:

What makes this all the more difficult for most Americans to face is that none of these events are happening in a vacuum. They’re part of a broader process, the decline and fall of modern industrial society in general and the United States of America in particular. ... The predicaments we face today are in very large part the product of a long series of really bad decisions that were made over the last four decades or so. Most Americans, even those who had little to do with making those decisions, enthusiastically applauded them, and treated those who didn’t with no small amount of abuse and contempt.

Indeed most of the socio-political conflict problems people whine about -- from crime and violence, unemployment, poverty, resource shortages, inflation, conformist political correct fascism; vanishing species, toxic pollution, racism, nazism, and a dozen other isms; genocide, organized violence resource wars; corporate and political corruption; etc -- are only symptoms of humans living their procreation and consumption lives in accordance to Masonic War is Peace national and international law social contract; where so-called 'rights from their ecologically illiterate Masonic Ego-Phallic God/s'; granted them the right to breed and consume with total disregard for ecological carrying capacity limits.

As long as humans insist on living in accordance to Masonic War is Peace social contract; they shall continue to overconsume/procreate and experience Predator-Prey Growth and Collapse of Civilization/Empire cycles: Greco-Rome, Minoan, Mycenaean, Sumerians, Akkadian, Assyrian, Babylonian, Achaemenid, Seleucid, Zhou, Han, Tang, Song, Parthian, Sassanid, Umayyad, Abbasid, Mauryan, Gupta, Maya, Hittite, Harrapan and Teotihuacan. Collapses result from (1) Ecological Strain and (2) Economic Stratification and include the disappearance of between 90-99% of the populations (from famine, disease and organized violence resource wars) including their kings, Gods, calendars and other complex political and cultural institutions. [NASA: Human (Predator) and Nature (Prey) Dynamics (HANDY) studies]

Only the implementation of an Ecology of Peace social contract based upon Ecology of Peace Factual reality; will abolish the Tragedy of the Commons externalization of procreation/consumption costs.

Ecology of Peace Facts:
1. Earth is not flat; 2. Resources are finite; 3. When humans breed or consume above ecological carrying capacity limits, it results in resource conflict; 4. To sustainably protect and conserve natural resources in accordance to local and national carrying capacity limits; and restrict national and international inter-cultural resource war conflict; humans must implement an international law social contract that restricts all the worlds citizens to breed and consume below ecological carrying capacity limits.

Put differently: An Ecology of Peace social contract would require every citizen to practice responsible freedom procreation and consumption; and personally bear the consequences of refusing to do so; by having their 'cheater/taker' genes removed from the genepool. Currently Cheater/Takers externalize their procreation/consumption costs; to get Eco-Innocent/Leavers exterminated from the genepool.

[ Multitasking transparency responses to John Michael Greer and Futilitist; regarding Futilitist comments at ArchDruidReport John Michael Greer's NTE Hypocrisy and Silencing of Critics ]

Andrea Muhrrteyn said...

Copy of Comment to: Archdruid Report: Response to Bob Hoskins:

EoP Multitasking transparency responses to 'Shades of Merlin Fuck Fuck Green Wizards' NSA Admiral Mike Rogers; Radical Hypocrisy Futilitarian Brad Blanton; John Michael Greer and Futilitist; with regard to EoP v WiP culture wars and Shadow Government psychotronic drone wars; among others:

* 14 April: "Of possible relevance for Masonic War is Peace gamers: Return Receipts from Radical Honesty Trainer: Raven Dana; Verification of Stress Wizard Coach Raven Dana email address as working; Sentencing of Blackwaters Tactical Support Team Raven 23 by Judge Royce C Lamberth [PNG]"; Presumably from NSA: Mike Rogers pretending to be -- Stress Wizard Coach -- Raven Dana [PNG] [Full Transcript of correspondence available at: Correspondence to Elijah Blanton; RE: GMC 4643-13 Legal correspondence sent to Elijah’s father: Dr. Brad Blanton; which Dr. Brad Blanton has yet to respond to (PDF) ].

* 22 April: Futilitist comments at InGodsName: ArchDruidReport John Michael Greer's NTE Hypocrisy and Silencing of Critics; responses to Futilitist and multitasking transparency notice to Archdruid Reports: The Pleasures of Extinction; Peak Meaninglessness; The Burden of Denial.


Hi Andrea.

Please call me Futilitist, not Futilist. Just cut and paste to be safe. It is childishly rude to fuck up people's pseudonyms.

Let me see, that's 6 fucks in your first post to me, including a "kindly(?) fuck off!", at the end. My sincere response to that drew another fuck-filled post to me, this time with almost twice as many fucks (11) for a total of 17 fucks in 2 short posts. It makes me naturally curious to see if I next get an even greater number of fucks, indicating an ever increasing emotional response. But that would be overkill, since the tell is already quite evident.

I don't care about Greer either. I once did, but I am *WAY* over it. After I read your blog post, I really just thought you might find it interesting. Your response has been *WAY* over the top. Never mind.

There is no "'buck stops here' root cause problem solving" way to deal with an inherently corrupt system like civilization. We are all just lucky(?) it is about to solve itself.

I guess it would be sophomoric to point out that you have a blog connected to the "Masonic War is Peace culture"'s internet, and you write proper legal briefs to "Masonic War is Peace culture" courts that don't give a shit about what you are saying. You are as much a part of the system as anyone. It is hard these days to truly live outside of the "Masonic War is Peace culture". Thinking you can somehow defeat it is a fantasy.

For a member of an "Ecology of Peace culture", you sure say fuck a lot. Peace and anger don't really mix that well.

And from a Darwinian perspective, an "Ecology of Peace culture" is utter sloganeering nonsense. All human cultures are "War is Peace" cultures. Game theory makes that inevitable. You simply can't change way evolution has hard wired us. Biological evolution trumps cultural evolution every time.

Oh, and the "Masonic" thing makes you sound loony. Just saying.

I am glad you are open to discussion, and that you don't censor your blog. But I don't think you really understand where I am coming from (or that you wish not to).

Or maybe I spoke too soon. As I just went to hit post, I noticed it now says: "Comment moderation has been enabled. All comments must be approved by the blog author." Wow. It's a good thing I save all my comments, too.



Hi Andrea.

A quick follow-up if my last post does make it on the board.

I loaded your page and responded to the single comment you left for me. As soon as I hit the post button, a whole bunch of other posts by you appeared that were not visible to me when I wrote my response. I don't understand how this happened. I will read your other comments now.


Andrea Muhrrteyn said...


What do you want from me?

If a sincere problem solving focussed conversation; about the merits or alleged inaccuracies of Ecology of Peace principles, values or evidence; see Ecology of Peace communication practices.

If not a sincere problem solving focused conversation; not a problem. I'd suggest you go and find whatever it is you want; wherever that is what is on offer.

Andrea Muhrrteyn said...

Excerpts of:
* Comment to Sgt Maj. Bryan Battaglia: Senior Enlisted Advisor to Chairman JCS; Military History: 70th Anniversary of Auschwitz liberation by Red Army [SS][Copy]:
* Correspondence to Elijah Blanton; RE: GMC 4643-13 Legal correspondence sent to Elijah’s father: Dr. Brad Blanton; which Dr. Brad Blanton has yet to respond to »» Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 9:18 PM; Subject: Subject: RE: 4643-2578: SS44: re: Elijah Blanton, Brad Blanton; RH Support Mike; Raven Dana (PDF).
* MILED Clerk Notice: Ecology of Peace (EoP) NWO Options: Ecology of Peace Options: International Ecology of Peace Referendum [See 09 March 2015 correspondence to PM Benjamin Netanyahu & Muslim Leaders: Re: EoP Referendum Option Ideas (PDF)]:
»»»»» posted to Unrepentant Cowboy: Everybody Knows and Tell the Truth.

Andrea Muhrrteyn said...

Copy of comment posted to RacismWS:

Excerpt of comment initially posted as response to [Lara: December 1, 2013 at 4:50 am; Trojan Pam: December 1, 2013 at 9:22 pm; Lara: December 2, 2013 at 4:19 am [censored]]; to RacismWS: Racism is White Supremacy:

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Thanks for response. Taking time to digest is a good idea. Going back to pre-civilization history, to understand how totalitarian agriculture changed gender and inter-tribal relations, and the effect on current relations is a big step, towards going to the root of the problem.

My comments here are my experience and working hypothesis, I do not pretend they are an absolute truth, and am totally willing to change them, given evidence to the contrary. I welcome you to do so, if you wish. You appear passionate about your perspective of white supremacy, and if you can point out errors in my thinking, thats great.

The Masonic Human Factory Farmers ‘management of the seething energies of lucifer’ (or what you call white supremacy) would prefer that you do not investigate the root of the ‘white supremacy’ brain tumour problem, but simply focus on the symptoms, and take asprins (soma) to make you feel better that you are doing something about the problem, while you are in fact only dealing with the symptom of the problem.

Racism/White supremacy is one of the most public overt dominant symptoms of the covert secret (society) dominant system on the planet. ‘Racism’ is the headache symptom of the root cause brain tumour.

One of the ways in which the secret societies divide and conquer and manipulate is through the use of abstract language; and the general public’s ignorance of the use of abstract language to manipulate and control, by means of failing to provide clear and succinct definitions for thier abstract terminology.

My definition of racism: A belief about one individual or groups ‘superiority’ to another individual or group cannot be legally ‘racist/supremacist’ (i.e. morally unethical); if it is (a) sincerely held (the believer sincerely with all his heart believes the erroneous objectively false belief); and/or (b) objectively true.

A belief about ‘racism/supremacy’ can only be legally ‘racist/supremacist’ if it is (a) insincerely held (if the person knows of evidence to the contrary, or if the person deliberately avoids engaging with persons who provide him of information and evidence showing his ‘supremacy’ ideas to be false).

Would you agree I would be an absolute moronic imbecile to refuse to admit that (a) Venus Williams is superior at tennis to 99% of all women on the planet?; (b) the bushmen are superior to blacks, africans and asians at living sustainably and in harmony with nature and other species?

Andrea Muhrrteyn said...


Imagine I accused you of ‘racism’ for saying Venus Williams is superior at tennis to 99% of all women. Wouldn’t you think I was either (a) dum***k stupid; or (b) maliciously refuse to admit to a fact of reality; for the purpose of attempting to maintain some ‘moral authority’ by screaming ‘racist’?

I have no problem admitting when any individual from any race, has a skill, or character trait, or behaviour that is superior to me. NONE. Admitting another’s superiority on any skill, is an opportunity to study that individuals skills and thereby improve your own skills. Denying their superiority, denies you the ability to learn their superior skill. Check out the research of Dunning and Kruger; about how ignorant people refuse to admit they are ignorant, and thereby remain ignorant. I have no doubt that there are many skills you may have wherein you are way superior to me; and that there are other skills that I may be superior to you at. That is the reality of living in a world of individuals, as opposed to grey conformist automatons.

Why do black people avoid a discussion about why they refuse to procreate responsibly? Why is it racist to ask a black person: ‘why do you have so many kids you cannot afford; don’t you know about contraception?’ Why can black people not admit that they have trouble controlling their sexuality, in terms of the procreation consequences, breeding unwanted and unloved children into poverty and misery? What must I, as a white person say to other white people, when I confront them about their bigotry, when they ask me why they should take responsibility for their inferior morality about how black people are sexually incapable of personal discipline; when black people refuse to take public responsibility for confronting that allegation and examining it, and proving their moral superiority, by doing something about it, if the allegation is true?

When I engage blacks on these issues; they will bring up the issue of slavery, and jim crow/apartheid. For some or other reason I cannot fathom, blacks and jews love victimhood. Whites and asians slaughtered each other, mass murdered each other, enslaved each other, persecuted each other, for hundreds of years. The British English almost exterminated the Afrikaner boers in the Boer war concentration camps (one of the largest genocides of any tribe in a single war). Very very few boers (of whom I am one, a large portion of my ancestors died in boer concentration camps) will use the boer war genocide as justification for current moral incapacity.

Andrea Muhrrteyn said...


Most whites simply confront the reality that their mass murder of each other, and other races of each other, was simply the ‘rule of force’ / rule of men, system of jurisprudence that was going at the time; they remember it, and learn from it, but don’t wallow in it (except for here and there a group, such as the jesuits, like victim puppies wallow about Luthers reformation). If your ancestors had migrated from africa, to europe, then overtime they would have lost their melanin, and due to living in a freezing climate, had to develop cognitive skills to plan for the future (to avoid starving in winter).
Your ancestors stayed in africa, where they initially created civilizations (zimbabwe etc), and when population pressures increased, they resorted to selling their surplus population as slaves to muslims, for hundreds of years before the white man arrived. Due to living in a year long warm climate, they never developed the cognitive skills for long term planning, to (a) adopt a K reproductive strategy (low procreation and lots of emotional, psychological and financial investment into children); and (b) did not have to develop cognitive faculties to save resources to survive long cold winters (See: Jared Diamond: Guns, Germs and Steel).

Returning to racism/ws:

The ‘system’ you call ‘racism/white supremacy’ is not held up by ‘God’ or some external force. It is very similar to the snow on a mountain, that is made up of millions of snowflakes. ‘Racism’ occurs, when enough of those snowflakes (of whatever race/culture) have insincere motives and intentions, and prefer bullshit the public relations, instead of facing reality and admitting to difficult truth; and sincerely engaging with other snowflakes of all races, about what is or is not ‘superior’ or inferior.

The ‘racist’ system occurs when enough snowflakes of all races, refuse to honestly and honourably engage, meritoriously about what is and is not superior conduct, and reward those who are in fact superior in any given skill for the community to benefit from such superior skill. Instead malicious snowflakes of all races, prefer to engage in bullshit the public relations to manipulate their fanclub against another malicious snowflakes fanclub, and avoid sincere discussion about what is and is not ‘superior conduct’; to establish a system based purely on merit, with total disregard for the snowflakes race, culture, etc. Many malicious snowflakes may hide on the mountain, and the difference between the snow staying on the mountain, or forming an avalanche to create a systemic system of racism/white supremacy, can be as low as the decision of one snowflake!
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Andrea Muhrrteyn said...


Food for Thought:

Current WiP 'Guns, Germs & Steele' Tesla Anti-gravity type HAARP weather warfare technology plausibly used to generate among others Haiti, Indian Ocean and Fukushima -- which resulted in Daichi Nuclear Power plant meltdown -- earthquake tsunamis; Iceland volcano; etc. This technology was referred to a few years ago by Russian White Nationalist: Vladimir Zhirinovsky. It was plausibly used yesterday in Kathmandu Nepal; which resulted in an avalanche on Mt. Everest; killing among others Sherpa's and Google executive hikers; with large waste footprint. For more info on Scarcity Combatant Procreation and consumption waste-footprints; see EoP PoW's v Nobel Laurettes (PDF).

Do you think the international implementation of an Ecology of Peace Referendum would enable all scarcity combatant people of all races; classes, cultures and religions to have the "“solution”to the biggest problem on the planet"? Info on EoP Referendum can be found in 09 March 2015 correspondence to PM Benjamin Netanyahu & Muslim Leaders: Re: EoP Referendum Option Ideas (PDF).

Excerpt from EoP -v- WiP culture negotiations comment to Sgt Maj. Bryan Battaglia: Senior Enlisted Advisor to Chairman JCS; Military History: 70th Anniversary of Auschwitz liberation by Red Army [SS][Copy]:

"If there is to be a civil war let it be a verbal In Your Face -- "The only way the problems can be solved. First the white man and the black man have to be able to sit down at the same table. The white man has to be able to feel free to speak his mind without worrying about hurting the feelings of the negro. The socalled negro has to feel free to speak his mind without worrying about hurting the feelings of the white man. The soldiers have to be able to feel free to speak their minds without worrying about hurting the feelings of the civilians. The civilians have to feel free to speak their minds without hurting the feelings of the soldiers. Then they can bring the EoP v WiP issues that are under the rug out on top of the table and take an intelligent approach to get the problem solved." [ amended ] -- honourable one....."

Andrea Muhrrteyn said...

[continued.. end]

Excerpt of Comments to: Press TV: Chinese Foreign Minister to P5+1: Seize opportunity in talks:
Quite simply: Do you know of any Muslim and African military, political, corporate or religious leader; or any of their European military, corporate, political or religious white guilt liberal Masonic slavemasters who thinks that Muslims and/or Africans are intellectually, religiously and/or physically capable of conquering thier ego's and penis/vagina's to practice Ecology of Peace responsible freedom procreation practices.

I doubt it. I imagine if the majority of Muslim and African military, political, corporate or religious leaders were brutally honest with their Muslim and/or African followers they would tell them: When it comes to your breeding practices; you are not equal to the average white man or woman; you are not even equal to many animals in the wild who are capable of practicing responsible freedom procreation practices and do not breed like cockroaches on viagra. When it comes to procreation equality; the majority of Muslims and Africans could be equal to cockroaches; except for the fact that cockroaches don't pretend they want to be called 'humans'.

Imagine there were one or more, a dozen or a few dozen such Muslim and African military, political, corporate or religious leaders who wanted to or were willing to be brutally honest with their Muslim and/or African followers about adopting a 'jihad / struggle' to conquer thier own penis/vagina's and start to breed like humans not cockroaches on viagra; what would be the response of these Muslim and African's white guilt two faced liberal Masonic European corporate, political and particularly media slavemasters?

Hysterical screeching of 'Uncle Tom' [ ] or 'racist' or 'islamophobic' [ ] ?

Copies of Comments: Trojan Horse Press: Lara-Pam; Censored; Lara-Prince & Donald Sterling: Lara-Pam.

Andrea Muhrrteyn said...

27 April 2015: 02:11 am: TO: Racism WS Editor: Pam: Copy of comment is posted to: IGN: ArchDruidReport John Michael Greer's NTE Hypocrisy and Silencing of Critics; and Uncle Tom Rants: Why Kneegrows and Niggers are Angry.

27 April 2015: 02:17 am: TO: Uncle Tom: You can find a full copy of long comment posted to Racism WS Editor: Pam that refers to Uncle Tom Rants blog; at: IGN: ArchDruidReport John Michael Greer's NTE Hypocrisy and Silencing of Critics.

Andrea Muhrrteyn said...

Copy of 27 April 2015 17:25 PM comment to Racism WS Editor: Pam:

Sorry forgot to include PDF link: here it is: For more info on Scarcity Combatant Procreation and consumption waste-footprints; see EoP PoW's v Nobel Laurettes (PDF).

HUMINT :: F(x) Population Growth x F(x) Declining Resources = F(x) Resource Wars

KaffirLilyRiddle: F(x)population x F(x)consumption = END:CIV
Human Farming: Story of Your Enslavement (13:10)
Unified Quest is the Army Chief of Staff's future study plan designed to examine issues critical to current and future force development... - as the world population grows, increased global competition for affordable finite resources, notably energy and rare earth materials, could fuel regional conflict. - water is the new oil. scarcity will confront regions at an accelerated pace in this decade.
US Army: Population vs. Resource Scarcity Study Plan
Human Farming Management: Fake Left v. Right (02:09)
ARMY STRATEGY FOR THE ENVIRONMENT: Office of Dep. Asst. of the Army Environment, Safety and Occupational Health: Richard Murphy, Asst for Sustainability, 24 October 2006
2006: US Army Strategy for Environment
CIA & Pentagon: Overpopulation & Resource Wars [01] [02]
Peak NNR: Scarcity: Humanity’s Last Chapter: A Comprehensive Analysis of Nonrenewable Natural Resource (NNR) Scarcity’s Consequences, by Chris Clugston
Peak Non-Renewable Resources = END:CIV Scarcity Future
Race 2 Save Planet :: END:CIV Resist of Die (01:42) [Full]